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	* [[Refined Vegetal Mixture]], if you took vegetal 6 and made the extracts, you might as well make this potion, see extracts above as to why this is not a leveling item and why this is no reason to take vegetal 6 for the casual potion maker. The use in [[Creature food]] gives an increase in experience and better income as well.		* [[Refined Vegetal Mixture]], if you took vegetal 6 and made the extracts, you might as well make this potion, see extracts above as to why this is not a leveling item and why this is no reason to take vegetal 6 for the casual potion maker. The use in [[Creature food]] gives an increase in experience and better income as well.
	* [[Mixture of Power]], the same considerations as for the refined vegetal mixture and extracts apply here.		* [[Mixture of Power]], the same considerations as for the refined vegetal mixture and extracts apply here.
	* [[Creature food]], if you made the Refined Vegetal Mixtures you can turn them into a profit with this item, the demand should be steady and increasing when more shapes are added to the game~~. [[Horses]] require this item as well~~.		* [[Creature food]], if you made the Refined Vegetal Mixtures you can turn them into a profit with this item, the demand should be steady and increasing when more shapes are added to the game.
	* [[Potion of Attack Reduction]], the usefulness of and demand for this potion is yet to be determined		* [[Potion of Attack Reduction]], the usefulness of and demand for this potion is yet to be determined
	* [[Potion of Defense Reduction]], the usefulness of and demand for this potion is yet to be determined		* [[Potion of Defense Reduction]], the usefulness of and demand for this potion is yet to be determined

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Beyond vegetal 4

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	=== Beyond vegetal 4 ===		=== Beyond vegetal 4 ===
	As a serious potion maker you will have to get your vegetal nexus to 5 sooner or later, simply because you want to make True ~~sigh~~ potions. As with any other nexus, you should consider buying it from [[Costel]]. However, getting a vegetal nexus of 6 should be considered a luxury at this point, because the potions needing it are low in demand or there's basically no demand altogether. You should wait until you've made enough money with other potions (see [[#Leveling\|above]]) to buy this extra nexus, unless you don't mind spending pickpoints on nexi or plan to reset of course.		As a serious potion maker you will have to get your vegetal nexus to 5 sooner or later, simply because you want to make True sight potions. As with any other nexus, you should consider buying it from [[Costel]]. However, getting a vegetal nexus of 6 should be considered a luxury at this point, because the potions needing it are low in demand or there's basically no demand altogether. You should wait until you've made enough money with other potions (see [[#Leveling\|above]]) to buy this extra nexus, unless you don't mind spending pickpoints on nexi or plan to reset of course.

	* [[Potion of Harvesting]], there's no demand for this potion. The players who could benefit from it are the ones that can't afford to buy it. The [[White Rabbit Fur]] makes it unsuited and too expensive for serious leveling (Mira sells for 20gc, buys for 10gc).		* [[Potion of Harvesting]], there's no demand for this potion. The players who could benefit from it are the ones that can't afford to buy it. The [[White Rabbit Fur]] makes it unsuited and too expensive for serious leveling (Mira sells for 20gc, buys for 10gc).

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	==== Schools ====		==== Schools ====
	If you don't mind throwing your money to the wind for experience, schools provide a nice way of doing it and if you harvest everything on your own, you might not even "lose" much besides harvesting time and the vial and food cost. Once you can make True ~~sigh~~ potions sufficiently well, you can even afford it but at that point the very same True sight potion will provide experience and income... (also compare note on Extracts in the [[#Beyond vegetal 4\|potions]] section below).		If you don't mind throwing your money to the wind for experience, schools provide a nice way of doing it and if you harvest everything on your own, you might not even "lose" much besides harvesting time and the vial and food cost. Once you can make True sight potions sufficiently well, you can even afford it but at that point the very same True sight potion will provide experience and income... (also compare note on Extracts in the [[#Beyond vegetal 4\|potions]] section below).

	=== A little math excursion ===		=== A little math excursion ===

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	==== Alternatives for Potions of Spirit Restoration ====		==== Alternatives for Potions of Spirit Restoration ====
	The only alternative to Potions of Spirit Restoration are [[Potion of Body Restoration\|Potions of Body Restoration]] due to market and ingredients reasons: you can sell them to NPC at a similar price as Potions of Spirit Restoration - they weight less and stack, so selling to NPC is actually better than with Potions of Spirit Restoration, which is what you'll mostly have to do as demand is low. The disadvantages of Potions of Body Restoration compared to those of Spirit Restoration are the much longer harvest times if you harvest yourself (no double [[Sunflower]] patches and [[Rose Quartz]] seems to be longer than [[Blue Quartz]]) as well as the higher food demand, which will have the mixer waiting on [[cooldown]] more often than when making Potions of Spirit Restoration. If you buy the ingredients you will most likely be able to make similar experience and money per hour as with Potions of Spirit Restoration.		The only alternative to Potions of Spirit Restoration are [[Potion of Body Restoration\|Potions of Body Restoration]] due to market and ingredients reasons: you can sell them to NPC at a similar price as Potions of Spirit Restoration - they weight less and stack, so selling to NPC is actually better than with Potions of Spirit Restoration, which is what you'll mostly have to do as demand is low. The disadvantages of Potions of Body Restoration compared to those of Spirit Restoration are the much longer harvest times if you harvest yourself (no double [[Sunflower]] patches and [[Rose Quartz]] seems to be longer than [[Blue Quartz]]) as well as the higher food demand, which will have the mixer waiting on [[cooldown]] more often than when making Potions of Spirit Restoration. If you buy the ingredients you will most likely be able to make similar experience and money per hour as with Potions of Spirit Restoration. On the other hand, you can consider the XP gain during a marathon grinding session. Compare 4000 mixes of SR's and BR's, and the 40k xp difference between the two potion types will seem to accommodate the extra harvesting time. This equates to roughly 570 fewer sets of ingredients (wine, quartz, vials, food, time...). Above all, 15gc per sale buys three empty vials from one BR potion, thus increasing your stock for the next phase of grinding.

	Other potions around these levels (until you can start considering True sight potions) are unsuited for leveling due to either animal ingredients or no demand in combination with no NPC market.		Other potions around these levels (until you can start considering True sight potions) are unsuited for leveling due to either animal ingredients or no demand in combination with no NPC market.

	==== Alternatives for True sight potions ====		==== Alternatives for True sight potions ====
	~~There are currently no potions that offer~~ a similar cost-performance ratio as ~~True sight potions, especially if~~ one considers that ~~you can~~'t stack [[Poison Antidote]]s, ~~which would be the next best, and the NPC pays 15gc less as well. Other potions at higher level are unsuited for leveling because of the animal parts in their ingredients lists~~.		Currently, the only potion which offers a similar cost-performance ratio is [[Poison Antidote]]. While the recipe calls for two more purchased items ([[ale]]), the other ingredients are harvested as opposed to roadkill ([[Deer Antlers]]). The extra cost may be a significant decision point when one considers that [[Deer Antlers]] don't stack while [[Poison Antidote]] do. This wasn't true before, however that was then.

	== Potions ==		== Potions ==

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	* [[Harvy]] trades vials for 5 [[Quartz]] and 3 gc (not advisable) as well as [[Mercury]].		* [[Harvy]] trades vials for 5 [[Quartz]] and 3 gc (not advisable) as well as [[Mercury]].
	* [[Closca]] in [[Melinis]] sells vials.		* [[Closca]] in [[Melinis]] sells vials.
			* [[Henrik]] in [[White Stone]] sells some animal parts.
	* [[Iazurn]] in [[Morcraven Marsh]] is [[Jayden]]'s priest (see below).		* [[Iazurn]] in [[Morcraven Marsh]] is [[Jayden]]'s priest (see below).

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	=== Quests ===		=== Quests ===
	It is highly recommended that you finish the following quests.		It is highly recommended that you finish the following quests.

	==== Potion quest ====		==== Potion quest ====
	The [[Quests#NPC Quests\|potion quest]] will get you almost to level 9, do it before you do anything else.		The [[Quests#NPC Quests\|potion quest]] will get you almost to level 9, do it before you do anything else.

	==== Wine quest ====		==== Wine quest ====
	The [[Quests#NPC Quests\|wine quest]] will enable you to buy wine at 0.75gc (20 wine for 15gc) from [[Vesine]], do it.		The [[Quests#NPC Quests\|wine quest]] will enable you to buy wine at 0.75gc (20 wine for 15gc) from [[Vesine]], do it.

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	In the [[#Potions\|potions]] section below you will find that [[Potion of Mana]] and [[Potion of Minor Healing]] are your best potions to start out, if you make them while training your attack and defense levels. Another positive side effect of this approach would be that you can stock up on animal parts while training and you can use those to make those other low level potions requiring animal items as your potion level increases.		In the [[#Potions\|potions]] section below you will find that [[Potion of Mana]] and [[Potion of Minor Healing]] are your best potions to start out, if you make them while training your attack and defense levels. Another positive side effect of this approach would be that you can stock up on animal parts while training and you can use those to make those other low level potions requiring animal items as your potion level increases.

	If you consider your expenses (price for ingredients, tools, books, food and time spent) you won't be making profit at this point, but if you think of the experience gained (at least at lower to middling a/d levels you'll always be able to find something that'll drop ''something'' that you can use for making potions) and consider the drops to be free, you'll come to have enough to level a bit. So what it all comes down to again is your preferred playing style being the decisive factor here. In theory you should do fine if your level is twice as high as the recommended level or higher if you want to make start with other potions.		If you consider your expenses (price for ingredients, tools, books, food and time spent) you won't be making profit at this point, but if you think of the experience gained (at least at lower to middling a/d levels you'll always be able to find something that'll drop ''something'' that you can use for making potions) and consider the drops to be free, you'll come to have enough to level a bit. So what it all comes down to again is your preferred playing style being the decisive factor here. In theory you should do fine if your level is twice as high as the recommended level or higher if you want to make start with other potions.

	The nexus requirements increase as you try to make more advanced (but still easy) potions, if you stayed on Potions of Mana and Minor Healing you will have to raise your vegetal nexus to 4 once you are ready for the next step.		The nexus requirements increase as you try to make more advanced (but still easy) potions, if you stayed on Potions of Mana and Minor Healing you will have to raise your vegetal nexus to 4 once you are ready for the next step.

	Some potions require that you read the book on how to make them, Potions of Mana, Minor Healing and Spirit Restoration don't, however all that do, have the books of [[Book of Biology\|Biology]], [[Book of Biochemistry\|Biochemistry]], [[Book of Botanics\|Botanics]] and [[Book of ~~Advanced_Potions~~\|Advanced Potions]] as prerequisites. [[Frukas]] in [[White Stone]] sells them.		Some potions require that you read the book on how to make them, Potions of Mana, Minor Healing and Spirit Restoration don't, however all that do, have the books of [[Book of Biology\|Biology]], [[Book of Biochemistry\|Biochemistry]], [[Book of Botanics\|Botanics]] and [[Book of Advanced Potions\|Advanced Potions]] as prerequisites. [[Frukas]] in [[White Stone]] sells them.

	=== When to start SRs ===		=== When to start SRs ===
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	\|39 \|\| 0.98 \|\| 99 \|\| 102		\|39 \|\| 0.98 \|\| 99 \|\| 102
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	Remember, these numbers are calculated from expected values and don't take [[~~Astrology\|~~astrology]] into account either. So be conservative in your calculations.		Remember, these numbers are calculated from expected values and don't take [[astrology]] into account either. So be conservative in your calculations.

	== Leveling ==		== Leveling ==

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	* boredom if you're using feasting potions or		* boredom if you're using feasting potions or
	* extra costs for [[Poison Antidote\|antidotes]] and [[Health Essence]]s if you're using toadstools or a combination involving toadstools.		* extra costs for [[Poison Antidote\|antidotes]] and [[Health Essence]]s if you're using toadstools or a combination involving toadstools.
	And even if you're [[I Eat Dead People Perk\|eating dead people]] you might regret going through your food so fast. If you're just going to make a few, possibly because of a request, waiting for cooldown, getting ~~poisoned~~ and such won't be so bad but for leveling you'll seriously want to consider saving your ingredients for a [[Special Days#Day of Joule\|Day of Joule]].		And even if you're [[I Eat Dead People Perk\|eating dead people]] you might regret going through your food so fast. If you're just going to make a few, possibly because of a request, waiting for [[cooldown]], getting [[poison]]ed and such won't be so bad but for leveling you'll seriously want to consider saving your ingredients for a [[Special Days#Day of Joule\|Day of Joule]].

	One obvious point to be considered when making high food items is finding a good food mix, even on Day of Joule. Things to be considered are		One obvious point to be considered when making high food items is finding a good food mix, even on Day of Joule. Things to be considered are
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	* [[Toadstool]]s (7), same as for henbane but to the east,		* [[Toadstool]]s (7), same as for henbane but to the east,
	* [[Wormwood]]s (9), see henbane (seriously), north of storage and		* [[Wormwood]]s (9), see henbane (seriously), north of storage and
	* [[#Food\|food]]. Now with True sight potion you will experience the annoyance of making [[#High food items\|high food items]] if you are using feasting potions or other food with cooldown. One way to partially get around this is waiting for a [[Special Days#Day of Joule\|Day of Joule]] and then use a combined food source.		* [[#Food\|food]]. Now with True sight potion you will experience the annoyance of making [[#High food items\|high food items]] if you are using feasting potions or other food with [[cooldown]]. One way to partially get around this is waiting for a [[Special Days#Day of Joule\|Day of Joule]] and then use a combined food source.

	True sight potions give roughly twice the experience as Potions of Spirit Restoration do, but the latter is still a very good item to level with even at high levels, especially if you harvest your own ingredients. The reasons for this are obviously ingredients and food requirements (see high food items above).		True sight potions give roughly twice the experience as Potions of Spirit Restoration do, but the latter is still a very good item to level with even at high levels, especially if you harvest your own ingredients. The reasons for this are obviously ingredients and food requirements (see high food items above).
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	==== Alternatives for Potions of Spirit Restoration ====		==== Alternatives for Potions of Spirit Restoration ====
	The only alternative to Potions of Spirit Restoration are [[Potion of Body Restoration\|Potions of Body Restoration]] due to market and ingredients reasons: you can sell them to NPC at a similar price as Potions of Spirit Restoration - they weight less and stack, so selling to NPC is actually better than with Potions of Spirit Restoration, which is what you'll mostly have to do as demand is low. The disadvantages of Potions of Body Restoration compared to those of Spirit Restoration are the much longer harvest times if you harvest yourself (no double [[Sunflower]] patches and [[Rose Quartz]] seems to be longer than [[Blue Quartz]]) as well as the higher food demand, which will have the mixer waiting on cooldown more often than when making Potions of Spirit Restoration. If you buy the ingredients you will most likely be able to make similar experience and money per hour as with Potions of Spirit Restoration.		The only alternative to Potions of Spirit Restoration are [[Potion of Body Restoration\|Potions of Body Restoration]] due to market and ingredients reasons: you can sell them to NPC at a similar price as Potions of Spirit Restoration - they weight less and stack, so selling to NPC is actually better than with Potions of Spirit Restoration, which is what you'll mostly have to do as demand is low. The disadvantages of Potions of Body Restoration compared to those of Spirit Restoration are the much longer harvest times if you harvest yourself (no double [[Sunflower]] patches and [[Rose Quartz]] seems to be longer than [[Blue Quartz]]) as well as the higher food demand, which will have the mixer waiting on [[cooldown]] more often than when making Potions of Spirit Restoration. If you buy the ingredients you will most likely be able to make similar experience and money per hour as with Potions of Spirit Restoration.

	Other potions around these levels (until you can start considering True sight potions) are unsuited for leveling due to either animal ingredients or no demand in combination with no NPC market.		Other potions around these levels (until you can start considering True sight potions) are unsuited for leveling due to either animal ingredients or no demand in combination with no NPC market.

	==== Alternatives for True sight potions ====		==== Alternatives for True sight potions ====
	There are currently no potions that offer a similar cost-performance ratio as True sight potions, especially if one considers that you can't stack Poison ~~Antidotes~~, which would be the next best, and the NPC pays 15gc less as well. Other potions at higher level are unsuited for leveling because of the animal parts in their ingredients lists.		There are currently no potions that offer a similar cost-performance ratio as True sight potions, especially if one considers that you can't stack [[Poison Antidote]]s, which would be the next best, and the NPC pays 15gc less as well. Other potions at higher level are unsuited for leveling because of the animal parts in their ingredients lists.

	== Potions ==		== Potions ==