Editing Talk:Main Page

== MediaWiki upgrade ==

Updated the Wiki software to the most recent version (1.17.0) and enabled file caching, let me know if this causes problems for you!
This step was seriously motivated by the fact that our hosting company had shut us down today due to causing a too high workload on the server :-/

--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 16:58, 31 May 2011 (CDT)
''Update:'' As you might have noticed, we had some more trouble of the same sort, however, it looks like we're getting there in terms of acceptable resource usage.
I've noticed some things not looking quite as they're supposed to. If you find stuff, please report (possibly with solution ;)) them in the forum. Thanks! (Hmm, where is the editing thingies bar?) [[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 12:40, 6 October 2011 (CDT)

* Ok, I think this is at the new shost :) --[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 23:07, 25 October 2011 (CEST)
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== Header templates ==
Ok, I put the Header with the branches in a template [[Template:FoCW Header]].

The template is alled with arguments in first line. <nowiki>{{{1}}},{{{2}}}</nowiki> are replaced.

<nowiki>
{{FoCW Header|Fellowship Of The Celtic Woods|Welcome to the FoCW Wiki!}}
</nowiki>

I tried to leave the first two <nowiki><div></nowiki> open to have the rest of the page in a fixed layout.
But when calling the template looks like all open tags are automatically closed.

so I need the next two lines 

<nowiki>
   <div id="container">
      <div class="wrapper"> 
</nowiki>

To fix the rest of the page.

and I would like to get rid of these two lines somehow.

You can look at the page source, for the styles the wiki uses. I think the body of the page is style
bodyContent

i tried putting
bodyContent { width: 718px } in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] this fixes the page but makes it alined to the left,
dunno how to center it.

the whole style definition is in:
http://focw.dragoncairn.net//wiki/skins/monobook/main.css

You cannot edit that just override in Common.css

== bodyContent ==

I modified that style. Now in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] but how do I center it ?

--[[User:Takiro|Takiro]] 17:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text-align:center ?
--[[User:DragonCairn|DragonCairn]] 14:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

== Structure ==

* I think it would look better to change the structure of this page to something like this:
** Welcome
** Unofficial
** Index
** Announcements
*** How to handle secrets and the editing help should be moved to the appropriate Editing-help page and a link to that page added here
*** Request for Admins should go here as well
*** Fellowship-bot announcement  should go here as well
*** the last two obviously only if they're still needed
* This (and other pages) would tremendously benefit from some nice pictures/artwork.
--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 08:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Created [[Help:Editing]] with the information from ''How to handle secrets'' and ''Should need more info''. Expanded and added information. Meant as a replacement as stated above. --[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 21:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Last days ==

Let's use this page to discuss [[Main Page#Last days of the EL-Wiki|DC's announcement]].
* I've sent him an email asking for details on bandwidth/month and the associated costs. A quick search gave that you can get hosting|VPS for about $5|$10/month with >=50GB bandwidth, maybe less if you search more thoroughly.
*What speaks for funding the wiki as it is now?
** convenient
*** no move needed
*** no setup of a new wiki/domain needed
*** nobody else has to deal with the financial side
*What speaks for moving the wiki to another server?
** software updates (currently using a pretty old version of the MediaWiki software (yes, I prefer up-to-date software)
** wiki extensions and wiki features that are currently not available since DC isn't involved in EL or the wiki anymore.
** maybe better connectivity (I for one am getting frequent time-outs when connecting to the wiki)

Of course the above list could be enhanced, this is just what came to my mind first.

Personally I'd be both willing to donate to the wiki (in fact I'll chip in some bucks to keep this site funded until we reach a decision here as soon as I know the numbers) or pay for a different host as I could use a host for other sites I'm involved with anyways but don't exactly need that either.

--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 08:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


* I believe its time for the wiki to move to another server.
** For all the reasons Ermabweb posted (improving the wiki; we need a person that answers the requests of the editors).
** Reading DragonCairn text I see that he's not interested in the game or the wiki anymore, why should he have to deal with the funding and the bandwidth usage of the sites?
** Even if donations are made now I believe this problem will only be postponed for some months. (In the past I've seen several messages announcing the near end of the wiki).
* I see that all the work Ermabwed, Gampa, me and others had is in risk of being lost, so until everything is decided I'll stop my edits on the wiki.
* My work is not related with computers so I can't help with the move but I'll donate money to keep the new site up.
* (I really hope that other persons enter this discussion.)

--[[User:Zarkuu|Zarkuu]] 16:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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* I talked to Krrick and we're in the process of getting ready to move the dragoncairn.net domain to another server. I'll try to have the wiki locked for editing once we're ready to move.--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 17:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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People are willing to donate once it's hosted and maintained by someone other than me, and I find that insulting.  For years I have hosted this wiki, I have been held accountable for its content, I have been responsible for it's costs.  

3 people have donated over the entire life of the wiki.

* Setec who no longer plays EL.
* Audhilde, my better half.
* And Bob42, Audhilde's father.

Folks are upset that I'm going to remove their hard work, or that I'm removing a source of information that they use. I'm sorry, hosting this thing is a thankless and tiring job.  I've been approached by some folks interested in taking it on, but after reading that comment - I'm incensed. 

Yes, I'll answer the charge that I've threatened the wiki before - and each time, without monetary recompense folks managed to talk me out of it and to have compassion.  And the charge that I've abandoned it, yes why should I pay any attention to something that gives me a ZERO ROI.  I'm not even talking a fiscal ROI, but there's no thank yous in the requests I get to have accounts activated, nor is there a thank you once I activate those accounts. 

I WAS willing to allow others to host it and take over it's management.
I WAS willing to allow the server to remain up until February while it's move got negotiated.
I'm not sure I'm willing anymore.
--[[User:DragonCairn|DC]] 22:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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Well, I for one am certainly thankful that you've been doing this and the more so after reading your mail on how it affects your personal internet experience and the associated costs.

The move should be done with fairly quickly. If Krrick and me can resolve one little problem here we might get done with it by Monday, even if that problem can't be resolved we could get it done by Monday I suppose but nothing of dragoncairn.net would be accessible during that time.

I think the wiki is a wonderful project and we're moving it to a new server because it has outgrown the current setup; apparently the need for this step has been evident for some time now so I don't think anybody should blame DC here for bringing it up again but rather blame those sweet talkers that convinced him to keep hosting it instead of planning a move sooner :)

Anyways, I hope we can get this move done quickly and maybe some will feel the spirit of the season and make use of that "Donate" button.

--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 00:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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I fully expect that donate button to be redirected to someone else's account to help defray their costs in hosting it.  After all, if I'm not the host, then I should not be receiving donations.
--[[User:DragonCairn|DC]] 04:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

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Yes, once the wiki is moved I'll have it point to Krrick's paypal or if she doesn't have one to mine and forward the money to her bank account. However, donations that are made before the move will go to you to cover costs from the past as is the case with donations that ask to go to you after the move.

'''Update''': I think I know how to solve the problem and have contacted Krrick by Gossip to ask her to perform the necessary steps. Once I am ready to move the wiki I'll make an announcement on the Main Page so people know that anything added after that announcement won't be moved. Same goes for the forums.

--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 06:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== .htaccess ==

For those interested in helping out with the minor problem mention on the main page, here's the curently used ''.htaccess'' file

 RewriteEngine On
 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/(stylesheets|images|skins|forum|focw|wikiimages|situ)/
 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/(redirect|texvc|index).php
 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/error/(40(1|3|4)|500).html
 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/favicon.ico
 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/robots.txt
 RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA]
-->

== SVG images ==

Hi, is there a possibility to upload svg graphics? I have a source svg here for Attributes.png [[File:Attributes.png|100px]], but I can't upload it through the normal upload dialog. Will the possibility of svg images possibly be added? 

--[[User:Andalan|Andalan]] 01:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well, I haven't really looked into that at all, I'm sure it would be possible. What I'd like to know is whether all up to date/common browsers support this before going into it though.
:--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 20:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

::They don't need to. At least the mediawiki plugin/module/whatever used by wikipedia renders the SVG into png internally and just shows the png on the article page. See for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bitmap_VS_SVG.svg], the only drawback would probably be that the server has to render each svg image once and keep it in some buffer
::--[[User:Andalan|Andalan]] 11:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:I see, found out how it's done etc. The server has the default converter installed, unfortunately it's also among the worst possible (slow and buggy, according to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration Mediawiki] - talking about ImageMagick here). If you have something better at home, it might be best to convert at home for now and it should be possible to share the file by ways of an attachment to a forum post.
:--[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 17:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

::Hmm, ok, will try to get a forum account now, and then cross-link the svg once I've posted it there. Thanks for trying!
::--[[User:Andalan|Andalan]] 16:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Captchas ==

After the recent onslaught of spam-bots registering I added a captcha extension to the wiki, which requires some random input upon character creation (and possibly some other actions as well, let me know if you encounter them were you don't want them). --[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 15:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

''Update'': I updated the captcha extension today and switched to user defined questions, which a bot won't be able to answer as easily. Currently there's only one question, so if you got some good ideas for questions that newbies to the game can answer as well (or get help in game for), let me know (here, forums, email). Thanks. --[[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 11:19, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

== Bruno? ==

Is there intentionally no reference to Bruno and Garis in this wiki? [[User:Barryc|Barryc]] 14:07, 27 June 2011 (CDT)
* I have no idea, it's a wiki, so go ahead and add Bruno and Garis :) [[User:Ermabwed|Ermabwed]] 12:40, 6 October 2011 (CDT)